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Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > ImmoralMinority 11/26/2019 at 09:05

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Why don’t we just be on the safe side  and save the planet anyway?

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 11/26/2019 at 09:08

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This.

Oh No! We’ve protected the environment and made a sustainable future for our children's children's children. 

vondon302 > ImmoralMinority 11/26/2019 at 09:11

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Either way I don’t think I’ll ever visit Venice.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > ImmoralMinority 11/26/2019 at 09:14

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If wild hyperbole is what it takes to galvanize people the n so be it.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > vondon302 11/26/2019 at 09:16

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You should, it's a cool place.

Sovande > ImmoralMinority 11/26/2019 at 09:17

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The presentation itself is a comment. I have no idea why we would care if the statements regarding climate change are overblown. P lan for the worst and hope for the best.

koawaft1 > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 11/26/2019 at 09:18

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Because you give up a lot for it. All for the low hanging fruit.  Let's do the things that have a big impact for little cost. But with the extreme views come extreme sacrifices. 

Tekamul > ImmoralMinority 11/26/2019 at 09:21

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I read the whole article, still not sure what the thrust of it is. Use softer words?

The one bit at the end about encouraging dirty energy generation in developing nations to make them wealthier quicker is bullshit. Want to help elevate them out of poverty? Rather than encouraging them to burn more coal, GIVE THEM WEALTH. Pool tens of billions of dollars to build modern electrical grids with a combination of cleaner generation and renewables, and DON’T ASK FOR ANYTHING IN RETURN.

Greed is the biggest barrier.

My X-type is too a real Jaguar > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 11/26/2019 at 09:21

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Extremism in all forms is bad it leads to dangerous group think that leads to catastrophe. Just because you agree with the issue doesn’t make extremism okay.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > My X-type is too a real Jaguar 11/26/2019 at 09:27

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At least liberal extremism is productive. We can’t be TOO environmentally friendly. It’s more than can be said about the other side.

This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: > ImmoralMinority 11/26/2019 at 09:32

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I mean, I’m all for a clean environment, but North America isn’t a major polluter anymore. Get China, India, and the rest of the third world first class polluters to clean up their act b efore preaching to me.

Also, metals aside, recycling is an absolute scam that is worse for the environment than doing nothing at all . The bulk of the community has been completely duped into believing they’re making a positive difference, when in fact they’re causing more pollution both at home and abroad.

Don’t try to change my mind. You cannot.

https://trakt.tv/shows/penn-teller-bullshit/seasons/2/episodes/5

Ash78, voting early and often > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 11/26/2019 at 09:38

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Solid position, and one that I’ve taken for a while. But the more I read about what this really entails (from the extremist end), the scarier it looks. Think “massive reduction in standards of living for the developing world” as a starting point. We usually think of it more in terms of “Boo hoo, my neighbor can’t drive his F-350" but that’s a drop in the bucket.

One logical end to this is a sick utilitarian dystopia: MAYBE save 5 billion people by letting a couple billion die along the way. In other words, how can we (the first world) tell everyone that they don’t deserve to strive for the comforts and safety that we have?

I think the reality will be that we innovate our way out of this, all while reducing consumption. I don’t think anyone will tolerate watching babies starve in Africa because we’re limiting CO2.

Derpwagon > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 11/26/2019 at 09:38

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“at least liberal extremism is productive”

yikes. stay faaaaaar away from me. 

Textured Soy Protein > ImmoralMinority 11/26/2019 at 09:39

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I get the point the article is trying to make, but the issue here is that this so-called extremism does not exist in a vacuum. It is a response to the decades of people denying that climate change exists, not with scientific counter-arguments, but with sticking their fingers in their ears and saying “NUH UHH!”

So the people who listen to science end up getting shouty because they’re like, “THE SCIENCE IS RIGHT THERE! THIS IS A PROBLEM WE KNOW HOW TO SOLVE! WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO GET YOU TO PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND? ”

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 11/26/2019 at 09:42

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That there is a dangerous individual.

My X-type is too a real Jaguar > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 11/26/2019 at 09:47

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In Hong Kong you would be on the side of the Chinese. The 1st step in extremism is to remove dissent.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Derpwagon 11/26/2019 at 09:51

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I think I already am.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > My X-type is too a real Jaguar 11/26/2019 at 09:52

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Beijing wouldn’t be arguing that the environment needs to be respected, so you're wrong there.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: 11/26/2019 at 10:17

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I don’t get this argument, it boils down to “why should I do better when they’re worse than me?”

Doesn’t America pride itself on being a world leader? Being that “shining city on a hill”?

DipodomysDeserti > ImmoralMinority 11/26/2019 at 10:20

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As always, George Carlin has the best take.

And a quote from my my favorite earthiest:

“ One final paragraph of advice: do not burn yourselves out. Be as I am - a reluctant enthusiast....a part-time crusader, a half-hearted fanatic. Save the other half of yourselves and your lives for pleasure and adventure. It is not enough to fight for the land; it is even more important to enjoy it. While you can. While it’s still here. So get out there and hunt and fish and mess around with your friends, ramble out yonder and explore the forests, climb the mountains, bag the peaks, run the rivers, breathe deep of that yet sweet and lucid air, sit quietly for a while and contemplate the precious stillness, the lovely, mysterious, and awesome space. Enjoy yourselves, keep your brain in your head and your head firmly attached to the body, the body active and alive, and I promise you this much; I promise you this one sweet victory over our enemies, over those desk-bound men and women with their hearts in a safe deposit box, and their eyes hypnotized by desk calculators. I promise you this; You will outlive the bastards.”

-Cactus Ed

MrSnrub > This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: 11/26/2019 at 10:29

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The US is still the second largest emitter of CO2. How is that not a major polluter? Not to mention that CO2 ’s effects on climate are largely cumulative, and the US has emitted more carbon in total by far than any other country,  including China. This is just a way to shirk responsibility

Textured Soy Protein > This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: 11/26/2019 at 11:04

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So you’re saying North America , by being the 8th man in the rotation on an NBA team of polluting, is not still in the game?

MrSnrub > ImmoralMinority 11/26/2019 at 11:15

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Ecomodernists are like a smoker admitting that they   may get lung cancer someday, but instead of quitting, their solution is to hope that  someone  invents a cleaner cigarette so they don’t have to change anything

Thomas Donohue > ImmoralMinority 11/26/2019 at 11:21

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Middle ground.

It seems no one wants to go  there anymore, they drive as far away as they can in opposite directions.  

It used to be such a big place, but now you can barely find it.

Ash78, voting early and often > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 11/26/2019 at 11:32

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Climate change fanatics actually turned me into a denier/skeptic for a number of years — specifically because their agenda was so obviously socialistic, for lack of a better term.

That was years ago and I’m definitely not a denier. Oddly, the rhetoric seems to be even more extreme now, so I’m sure there are plenty of people today sitting where I was 10-15 years ago. Extremism doe sn ’t really help, it only reinforces the existing base.

IMHO, reasonable compromises and solutions help.

Ash78, voting early and often > vondon302 11/26/2019 at 11:35

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Go. Now!

Not in the summer, though, it’s like a septic tank full of Germans.

Honestly, though, I appreciate Venice as a lightning rod for sea level rise , but it was always sort of a folly from the start. People make crazy choices when trying to escape their enemies.

BigBlock440 > Sovande 11/26/2019 at 11:38

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Oh, like a prepper.  Stockpile guns ammo and gold, build your house into a fortress, keep a years+ supply of food on hand and hope you’re wrong.

BigBlock440 > Thomas Donohue 11/26/2019 at 11:40

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I’ve heard it’s underwater now, like NYC, thanks to the rising sea levels.

nermal > ImmoralMinority 11/26/2019 at 11:42

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Extremists are bad.  Both sides!

Spanfeller is a twat > ImmoralMinority 11/26/2019 at 11:48

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I think that arguing that poor countries should get away with unacceptable practices because they’re poor is one of the stupidest mainstream ideas I’ve heard.

The whole point of globalization is that these poor countries can benefit from the tech that the rich ones already developed... so that they can leap-frog old tech and focus on catching up and developing modern tech with the rich nations. 

Sovande > BigBlock440 11/26/2019 at 12:05

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No, not like that all.  

Snuze: Needs another Swede > ImmoralMinority 11/26/2019 at 12:11

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“The world is going to end in 12 years if we don’t address climate change.” Says Thunberg in her new book, “Around 2030 we will be in a position to set off an irreversible chain reaction beyond human control that will lead to the end of our civilization as we know it.”

Because 12 years is too long to wait...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 11/26/2019 at 12:27

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This mentality got us Trump.

fintail > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 11/26/2019 at 12:38

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And look where our VP is from lol.  I feel sorry for the intelligent people stuck in that heckhole.

Darkest dumbest timeline

vondon302 > Ash78, voting early and often 11/26/2019 at 12:38

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Well it worked for a little while.

Ash78, voting early and often > vondon302 11/26/2019 at 12:46

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Climate change or not, I sort of look at Venice like The Old Man of the Mountain — it was never really long for this earth. But sea levels definitely speed things up.

vondon302 > Ash78, voting early and often 11/26/2019 at 12:48

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Rising seas and sinking land do not make a good combo.

BigBlock440 > Sovande 11/26/2019 at 13:26

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But what happens when the a pocalypse comes? Wouldn’t you rather be prepared for the worst?

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > fintail 11/26/2019 at 14:12

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I should grow a goatee

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 11/26/2019 at 17:33

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I thought the point of globalization was that rich countries could  shift their pollution and poor working conditions   to poor countries?

Spanfeller is a twat > DipodomysDeserti 11/26/2019 at 17:53

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There’s an ugly part to globalization as well, perhaps I should’ve been more forthright about it. But my point stands, developing nations should be pushed into developing modern infrastructure, rather than allowed to pollute more. This would tangentially force abusive investors into being more environmentally conscious. As for the working conditions... that’s something that might be harder to regulate... but we should try to too.

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 11/26/2019 at 18:00

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There is no leverage whatsoever to push rich nations to help poor nations to pollute less. People in rich nations largely don’t care if the third world is polluted, and the people most affected by pollution in poor countries, poor people, have no voice. Shit, people in rich countries don’t even care if their own countries are polluted, as long as it stays in poor areas. You can push all you want, but there is no way to enact real change within the current system.

Spanfeller is a twat > DipodomysDeserti 11/26/2019 at 19:24

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Are you saying there has to be a global revolution? 

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 11/27/2019 at 03:16

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I’m saying I don’t think anyone should expect anymore from globalism than what it was intended to do.